|
Post by Nathan on Nov 26, 2005 23:40:35 GMT -6
A Treaty of Protection between The Principality of Sullifree and The Sovereign Natopian Empire
The Principality of Sullifree (Sullifree), desiring protection from the Sovereign Natopian Empire (Natopia), does hereby enter into the Natopia as a Special Demesne under the following terms:
1. All current institutions of Sullifree will remain in place, as will Sullifreean titles and honors.
2. Sullifree will retain full internal autonomy. No Natopian law may be enforced upon Sullifree without Sullifree's consent.
3. Sullifree will maintain a seperate foreign policy from Natopia. Natopia's treaties will not apply to Sullifree, nor will Sullifree's apply to Natopia.
4. Sullifreean territory on the MCS map will come under full protection and control of Natopia.
comments?
edit: took out citizens stuff.. it was redundant anyhow.
|
|
|
Post by MasterRDavis on Nov 27, 2005 13:02:21 GMT -6
Ok I found it.
I dont mind the idea of Sullifree becoming a Demesne...but I DO have a problem with all the special concessions. This really doesnt seem fair to the rest of us. If he can retain all these privileges, does that mean Robland can start issuing out it's own knighthoods, etc? Also - if he doesnt have to live by our laws...what's the use of Sullifree being named a Demesne? It's like - being part of Natopia but then not...like the Vatican or something. I really dont like the way that sounds. If I am mistaken and somehow misread this, please correct me.
I wouldnt mind Sullifree being taken in and absorbed into Natopia with the same rights and privileges of all the other Demesnes. To allow for much more makes it unequal and quite unfair to everyone else.
|
|
|
Post by Nathan on Nov 27, 2005 13:35:12 GMT -6
Sullifree is a foreign nation and as such it is allowed special concessions. Robland was created by the government of Natopia, as were all the other demesnes, so they will naturally have less autonomy than a fully sovereign nation.
The plan is to have Sullifree part of, but not really, Natopia, so to protect their MCS lands from the Babkhans.
|
|
|
Post by ardashirkhan1 on Nov 27, 2005 14:00:02 GMT -6
And they thought joining you would protect them from us? Oh well, two for the price of one I guess.
|
|
|
Post by Carson Smith on Nov 27, 2005 14:25:15 GMT -6
That sounds like a threat from Babkha on Natopia. While I don't want to seem forthcoming, I encourage the Natopian government to take appropriate actions against Babkhan infringements on Natopian and Sulli sovereignty.
|
|
|
Post by Nathan on Nov 27, 2005 15:27:11 GMT -6
I see no threat in the Shah's post. Sullifreean MCS territory will soon be Natopian property by way of a legal treaty freely signed by both parties.
If the entire purpose of this 'war' is to remove Sullifree from the map, then so be it. Sullifree as a nation is removed from the MCS, but they gave us their land, and we have decided to keep the names intact.
Since Sullifree has to be removed from the map, it can be removed either by force or peacefully.
|
|
|
Post by ardashirkhan1 on Nov 27, 2005 16:20:54 GMT -6
Regretably there is a fundamental clash in obligations that leaves us with no choice but to recognise and assert that the sovereignty of Sullifree is null and void to our eyes and that its deposed Christian ruler is in no position to dispose of it as he wishes. Accordingly we do not recognise his right to pass Sullifree to Natopia and must insist that as specified by Imperial Farman the Musaddiq Isles belong to the Sultanate of Hatay, a territory of the Kingdom of Babkha and by extension the Grand Commonwealth.
|
|
|
Post by Brian Capelle on Nov 27, 2005 17:18:48 GMT -6
Tell me what will happen, then, If I just gave my land to Natopia? What can you say then? WHat if we formed a nation similar to the GC, with equal coverage? What can you say then? The fact that I do have options proves that I still AM sovereign!
|
|
|
Post by Brian Capelle on Nov 27, 2005 17:21:46 GMT -6
Further, take this in terms of what would happen in real life, since you seem so bent on incompetent simulation: do you think, if 2 nations merged, they would simply give up sovereignty?
|
|
|
Post by Brian Capelle on Nov 27, 2005 20:06:46 GMT -6
Actually, perhaps we should approach this in a different light: If we became a united commonwealth GC-esque, they could not complain because they did the same thing, so if they said we gave up sovereignty, so did they, and thus we could essencially dispute their own territory's true nature. We could have a bicameral legislature, one made up of the heads of state and another made up of electees from the members, and we could require a rediculous level, say unanimous from the upper (head-of-state) house and 80% of the lower house to make any law effective in all member nations, but less support in regards to defense and things that address us at the Commonwealth level only, and baically have a court that could serve as an appeals court for the members and serve any cases in the Commonwealth level, we could also have no foreign relations at the commonwealth level and keep that at the members, and finally, to insure that the members maintain active, there would be no General Discussion board or off-topic board at the Commonwealth level. The only final problem we'd need to address is citizenships in multiple states. We could say that if you're already a citizen of both that's fine, but new citizens must be a member of one for at least, say, 6 months to join another member, we could impose a maximum number of memberships (unless we are already members of a state that decided to join), and finally, no person could serve in either legislative branch for more than one nation. That should be enough to ensure the individuality and protect the activity of member nations, and still ultimately protect the member nations better. What do yall think?
And perhaps we should, if this proposal was approved, merge the economies to some extent, or create yet another seperate one on the commonwealth level? That would be convenient since I have closed our phpBank and plan to completely change the system (and the member's balances) before it is reopened.
|
|
|
Post by Nathan on Nov 27, 2005 22:04:29 GMT -6
I think, for now, we need a quick resolution. This thing can be worked out later, but its intriqueing.
For now, I hereby sign and ratify this treaty for Natopia: His Sovereign Majesty, Nathan the Only, Sovereign Natopian Emperor, Baron of Ziegeland, Sovereign of the Order of the Black Hole, Avatar of the House of Waffle-Paine, Grand Commander of the Natopian Defense Force, Knight of Order of the Griffin, Companion of the Order of the Rio Grande, Knight of Sullifree
|
|
|
Post by Brian Capelle on Nov 27, 2005 22:08:47 GMT -6
I sign and enforce this treaty on the simple grounds that I am one of only 2 active members of Sullifree and only 40% consent is required. Welcome to Natopia, all of my brethren.
|
|
|
Post by Nathan on Nov 27, 2005 22:18:31 GMT -6
It's legit. Welcome friends. Hopefully this act will stop the Idiocy.
I'll set you up a Demesne forum if you wish?
|
|
|
Post by Brian Capelle on Nov 27, 2005 22:20:29 GMT -6
Yep. Should I work on a possible Constitution of the Commonwealth I mentioned?
|
|
|
Post by Nathan on Nov 27, 2005 22:26:34 GMT -6
Go for it. Any other nations you're interested in joining? Like... everyone not in the GC? haha... I had always thought a union of all the "other" nations would be interesting... all the non-GC and non-Apollo nations...
|
|