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Post by Brian Capelle on Nov 27, 2005 22:29:44 GMT -6
Ronen, perhaps, but they are planning a merger with Breuddwyd, or at least Carson has proposed it, so... yeah, um whatever comes out of that. MAYBE Lavalon, doubt it. Aldrodria. If xon chooses to withdraw Byzantia from Shireroth, that. Those are the main ones, or the main possibilities.
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Post by Nathan on Nov 27, 2005 22:58:52 GMT -6
I took a look over ur proposal again, and Im actually liking better. It seems very much like the confederacy set up by the American Articles of Confederation... each state keeps substantial sovereignty, yet unites for defense and major foreign policy... like this situation... to present a unified, and larger, voice.
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Post by Brian Capelle on Nov 27, 2005 23:10:56 GMT -6
Well then I hope you will work on it instead of I, as long as I continue to work on Sullifree's new constitution (which if ya didn't know you may reply in that thread as I do it  ) |
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Post by Brian Capelle on Nov 27, 2005 23:43:01 GMT -6
I guess... umm... am I still bound to your laws? We really didn't put much effort into this.... it is hard to say what laws Sullifreean citizens are bound to and what we are not... but they have to be bound to some extent because they ARE Natopian now... this is a problem...
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Post by Nathan on Nov 27, 2005 23:57:52 GMT -6
I thougt you didnt want Sullifree bound to Natopian laws, so I didnt include any of that... in fact, the clause says that Sullifree is not bound by any Natopian laws unless Sullifree agrees to be bound by the laws.
Sullifreeans are not Natopian citizens per se, I removed that clause actually.
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Post by Brian Capelle on Nov 28, 2005 1:44:35 GMT -6
So basically... nothing actually changed? Are we still two seperate nations? Are my citizenships 2, and not 1? I, of course, am the only unifying citizen... this needs to be worked out unless we get the Commonwealth thing done quick.
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Post by MasterRDavis on Nov 28, 2005 9:58:21 GMT -6
Feel free to call me stupid, but I am confused about a few things. So if 40% consent is required, where are the signatures/proof of agreement from the others? If you have 7 citizens (You, Xon, and 5 others), then at least 3 citizens need to agree to this. As Judge around here, I would seriously have to call into question the validity of this agreement based on these facts. Until I see that 2 others agreed to this, it's my opinion that this agreement is void. I could issue a Judicial Review of the Treaty, but I would rather wait and allow Brian to get the other signatures needed. No use in making things messy, right? Now about some sort of Organisational Union. Didnt we try this already...like VERY recently?? There was something organised when I went into the hospital back in July, and I returned in October to see it had died. Perhaps more planning than "Let's do this!!!" needs to be performed. Sure it sounds like a fantastic idea; but in order for something like this to actually work, it's going to take a lot of pre-thought and planning...lest we go the way of the VUAS. |
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Post by xon on Nov 28, 2005 14:35:59 GMT -6
This annexation was slipshod, as none of Sullifree's citizens had a say in the matter other than Prince Brian, and the position of Sullifree's laws in relation to the precedence of Natopia's laws is unclear.
My citizenship in Sullifree hinges on whether Natopia annexes Sullifree. Since whether Natopia has in fact annexed Sullifree remains to be confirmed, I am waiting to see what happens.
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Post by Brian Capelle on Nov 28, 2005 19:43:36 GMT -6
"Feel free to call me stupid, but I am confused about a few things. Quote: I sign and enforce this treaty on the simple grounds that I am one of only 2 active members of Sullifree and only 40% consent is required. Welcome to Natopia, all of my brethren. Quote: And we are not just a one citizen nation--- XOn has returned, and we still have 5 others. Forums are not the only thing marking activity. So if 40% consent is required, where are the signatures/proof of agreement from the others? If you have 7 citizens (You, Xon, and 5 others), then at least 3 citizens need to agree to this. As Judge around here, I would seriously have to call into question the validity of this agreement based on these facts. Until I see that 2 others agreed to this, it's my opinion that this agreement is void. I could issue a Judicial Review of the Treaty, but I would rather wait and allow Brian to get the other signatures needed. No use in making things messy, right? Now about some sort of Organisational Union. Didnt we try this already...like VERY recently?? There was something organised when I went into the hospital back in July, and I returned in October to see it had died. Perhaps more planning than "Let's do this!!!" needs to be performed. Sure it sounds like a fantastic idea; but in order for something like this to actually work, it's going to take a lot of pre-thought and planning...lest we go the way of the VUAS." There are only 2 citizens that really show up to the fora, where legislature is conducted, but more citizens in all. THat said, if it makes you happy, it will be proposed. I was in a rush of this because I wanted to save Sullifree's lands as quick as possible. And Xon, it basically doesn't mean anything, it's incredibly unfair that you imply this. We're basically giving them our defense, and nothing else. You have no Natopian rights or responsibilities. How is this such a problem? |
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Post by MasterRDavis on Nov 29, 2005 0:48:12 GMT -6
It's not so much what makes me happy, but what is legally binding. I have an obligation to Natopia to ensure that law is upheld. We certainly shouldn't annex a nation that goes against the popular will of it's own people. I was simply confused since you say in one place that you have 2, and another that you have 7 citizens. It only seems fair that you follow your own laws in regards to agreeing on a Treaty. If you've really only got 2 people who are active, and the other 5 are more "buffers" that you might see once in a while, etc - then that's one thing. If they are people you see and talk to everyday outside the Forum, then they certainly should have the right to decide their nation's fate.
As an aside...is Sullifree attacking Babkha now with what looks like a really sad manual spamming? Cause that's not the way to win hearts, my friends.
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Post by Brian Capelle on Nov 29, 2005 1:19:10 GMT -6
No, it's a lie, buddy.
And it has been proposed, and as expected, right now it stands at 50/50, but it only needs 40. It has 3 days total, though.
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Post by Brian Capelle on Dec 23, 2005 18:52:13 GMT -6
A Treaty between Sullifree and Natopia
The previous treaty of protection between Sullifree and Natopia is hereby dissolved. Sullifree hereby regains control of its defenses (while Natopia will continue to defend Sullifree and vice-versa as per the previous treaty in the face of agression) while Sullifree's MCS land will be absolved into Natopia unless MCS denies this, in which case it shall once again be Sullifreean territory. Again, this dissolusion means the first treaty between the two nations will go into effect once again.
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Post by Nathan on Dec 24, 2005 0:45:39 GMT -6
So... does this just nullify the previous treaty.. and just cedes your lands to full Natopian control? Sounds fine to me.
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Post by Brian Capelle on Dec 24, 2005 16:32:18 GMT -6
Yup. If I join MCS again, it won't be in that same place, that's for sure...
Now that I think of it, I may want to keep it and then move it... I don't know
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Post by Brian Capelle on Dec 24, 2005 22:48:21 GMT -6
I have made my choice to afford Natopia the claim. The treaty will be proposed in our Parliament.
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