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Post by Delphi Augustus on Jul 6, 2004 23:18:32 GMT -6
Hello everyone, I'm Chancellor Delphi Augustus, Co-Emperor of the Empire of Antica. Much like you, we function as an Imperial Republic, however officially the two Emperors are absolute rulers. Anyway, we have recently opened diplomatic talks with your nation, and would love to sit down and formulate a treaty. Natopia and Antica seem to have quite a bit in common. The colors for your website and flag, I have noticed, are blue and green, the colors of Antica, and those in our Flag. As well, as I have mentioned, our governments function similarly. On that note, I bid you a good day, and hope we have talks very soon, so we may form a special alliance between our closely connected nations!
Respectfully,
Chancellor Delphi Augustus
The Empire of Antica
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Post by Nathan on Jul 6, 2004 23:33:01 GMT -6
Welcome Chancellor Augustus! We actually have a third national color, purple, but its generally not used as much as the wonderful colors of green and blue. What sort of alliance would Antica be interested in? If you're interested, there is a thread in the "Lower Ministry of Foreign Affairs" board that lists all of our treaties. They can be used as templates or just basic ideas.
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Post by Delphi Augustus on Jul 6, 2004 23:43:45 GMT -6
I think we should forge our own treaty. We can either do it here or in your embassy in Antica, as it would be best to keep it in one place. I think we should bring ourselves to the table and start fresh.
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Post by Nathan on Jul 7, 2004 0:15:19 GMT -6
agreed. this is what I would like to see included in the treaty:
1. Both parties recognize the sovereignty and legitimacy of the other party
2. Both parties recognize any land claims the other party has made, whether actual or virtual
3. Each party may officially petition the government of the other party, the petioned government has the right to ignore foreign petitions
4. Citizens of both parties may visit the other party at anytime, unless a party states that its borders are closed
5. In the event of micronational war, sabotage, or espionage both parties may offer aid to the afflicted party
what would Antica like to see in this treaty?
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Post by Delphi Augustus on Jul 7, 2004 0:28:18 GMT -6
Off the top of my head I can think of the following, but more will likely come later, when my counterpart comes around. And just to know, I have specific ways to think of implementing some that you have already presented. As for 3, we would consider allowing your citizens have a voice in the Main Chamber of our Senate, to debate bills. And as for 5, I would like to see that perhaps strengthened. "May" seems very flimsy, to me. I think perhaps something more like... well I haven't got another wording yet...  At this point, actually, having our nations just met, I think these things may be as far as our first treaty goes. However, I will make sure to direct the other Chancellor here to see if he can think of anything, and I will surely return later today, when I am less weary. |
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Post by octaviusme on Jul 7, 2004 22:02:11 GMT -6
Hi, Octavius Me of Antica here.
In anticipation of Antican Senate Bill 011, which involves the Antican Judicial System, I recommend adding in a clause for having an extradition agreement included in the treaty.
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Post by Nathan on Jul 8, 2004 16:56:38 GMT -6
the "may" in 5 can be changed to "must" or "will"? or "strongly encouraged to"? i would not mind Natopians having a voice in the Antican senate. Anticans may participate in Natopian senate debate and/or may petition myself directly. an extradition agreement would be ok by me. assuming Antica couldnt execute any Natopians!  or vice versa. |
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Post by Delphi Augustus on Jul 8, 2004 19:12:15 GMT -6
That sounds reasonable. The main reasoning behind the extradition agreement is to solidify our ability to use our judicial system to the fullest. As you may or may not know, after Thoenen was exposed in Antica, our judicial system could not be used to deal with him, so now that we have a working judicial system, we want to be able to prosecute criminals, even if they don't show their ugly faces.
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Post by Nathan on Jul 8, 2004 20:13:47 GMT -6
sounds good. so the current working treaty would look like this?
1. Both parties recognize the sovereignty and legitimacy of the other party
2. Both parties recognize any land claims the other party has made, whether actual or virtual
3. Each party may officially petition the government of the other party, the petioned government has the right to ignore foreign petitions
4. Citizens of both parties may visit the other party at anytime, unless a party states that its borders are closed
5. In the event of micronational war, sabotage, or espionage both parties will offer aid to the afflicted party
6. In the event of a citizen commiting a crime in the other party's claimed territory, that party has the right to extradite the citizen and that citizen is at the mercy of that party's judicial system.
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Post by Delphi Augustus on Jul 8, 2004 20:16:17 GMT -6
This alll sounds good to me, except in number 6, I think it should be "obligation" instead of "right". Should we right up a formal treaty for this, or you guys?
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Post by Nathan on Jul 8, 2004 20:27:54 GMT -6
ok... obligation it is. perhaps you should write up the formal treaty. Natopian documents rarely look very professional  |
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Post by Delphi Augustus on Jul 8, 2004 20:29:15 GMT -6
Haha ok I'll get to it as soon as possible, which could mean in a few minutes if I'm up to it, or maybe on Sunday . I'll get back to you when I've done it, and don't feel bad to give me a poke if it's not done by Monday. |
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Post by Nathan on Jul 8, 2004 20:30:59 GMT -6
ok... thank you.  |
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Post by Delphi Augustus on Jul 8, 2004 21:38:29 GMT -6
Treaty of Peace and Mutual Recognition
between
The Empire of Antica
and
The Sovereign Imperial Republic of Natopia
In signing this treaty, both parties hereby agree to the following. Section 1. Both signatories nations agree to recognize the legitimacy and sovereignty of the other, in jurisdiction and in terrirorial claims, actual and virtual, as well as over all subordinate nations, terrirories, provinces, and other such entities. Section 2. Citizens of both parties have the right to petition the government of the other, through legal, proper, legislative means. Citizens of Natopia thus may hereby voice their opinion in debates in the Antican Senate, however no votes may be cast, and no bills proposed directly. Section 3. Citizens of both signatory nations may travel freely into and throughout the other nation, unless security issues cause an official closing of borders. If, during any time, one nation decides to close its borders, for any reason, to the citizens of the other, then the other nation may reciprocate the move. Section 4. In the event that either party of this treaty becomes a target of in micronational war, sabotage, or espionage, the other nation is not obliged, but strongly encouraged to assist in an appropriate manner. Section 5. In any significant conflict of morals, diplomacy, or otherwise between one of the signatory nation and a nation of which relations are not official between either, the other signatory nation will be obliged to offer full support to the nation with whom this treaty is signed. Section 6. In the event of a citizen of either nation commiting a crime in the other party's claimed territory, that party has the obligation to extradite that person and leave him subject to the will of the other nation's judiciary. |
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Post by Delphi Augustus on Jul 8, 2004 21:44:54 GMT -6
I hereby sign this treaty for my half of the Imperial Antican Chancellory.
Chancellor Delphi Augustus
The Empire of Antica
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or vice versa.
