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Post by Aryeztur on Mar 24, 2005 15:25:35 GMT -6
I got your message Nate, and it sounds like something to consider. The question is, how would it effect Aryezi culture and government? I noted you have autonomy and that is enough for me; besides we need your military protection if needed. Just fill me in a bit more how the central government and provinces work. Finally, my biggest problem is lack of citizens. I kindof need an assurance that by being a part of Natopia, Aryez will acquire more citizens. Oh, and would I have the right to secede?
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Post by Nathan on Mar 24, 2005 16:09:14 GMT -6
we are currently amending our constitution to include a mechanism for taking on foreign nations as Regions. so far, Natopia's Regions have been kinda "created" by the central government. the amendment, once passed, says that foreign nations may become part of Natopia by way of a special Treaty... therefore, a clause about secession can certainly be included in that treaty.
Regions are required to ratify their own constitution, therefore, Regions have total control over their government system. the only restriction placed on Regions is that no action of the Region may violate an Imperial Law or violate the rights of citizens, as outlined in our constitution. Regions may still however, conduct foreign affairs independent of the central government.
the Aryezi culture will be maintained to any degree you wish... Tasneemia and Ziegeland use the Imperial College of Arms to have flags and coats of arms officially issued to them. Aryez can do this as well, but may design and issue cultural emblems for itself. the central government strives to stay out of Regional affairs... cultural or political... as much as possible.
as for the citizens... i honestly cannot assure that. Aryez is the second nation to approach Natopia for merger (the first was Korhal, they joined Antica, and well... died). i can assure you, however, that i will promote Aryez to the best of my ability... after all activity for Aryez will trickle down to activity for Natopia, and vice versa. if the arrangement is not to your liking after a period of time... there will be nothing to stop Aryez from peacefully breaking off.
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Post by Aryeztur on Mar 24, 2005 16:17:05 GMT -6
This sounds like a good deal to me. I will consider it.
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Post by Aryeztur on Mar 24, 2005 16:18:34 GMT -6
Where can I view the Natopian constituion along with decrees?
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Post by Nathan on Mar 24, 2005 16:41:17 GMT -6
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Post by Aryeztur on Mar 24, 2005 16:57:07 GMT -6
These are the points where your laws and mine do not agree:
The voting age in Aryez is 13, yours is 14
We have freedom of speech but that is abriged by morality laws
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Post by Nathan on Mar 24, 2005 17:08:26 GMT -6
voting age is being reduced to 13 by the same amendment i spoke of earlier.
mmm... about the morality laws... i dont want to compromise the unrestricted free speech that Natopia has enjoyed... however... Natopia at one point had a Decency Law that limited offensive language in government institutions.... if your morality law was clear in that it limited speech in a government owned locations... like your legislature or imperial residences, that may be permissiable due to precedent.
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Post by Aryeztur on Mar 25, 2005 10:33:00 GMT -6
Well, go to Aryez and check out the Morality Codes in the passed bills section...
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Post by Nathan on Mar 25, 2005 16:29:22 GMT -6
looks acceptable. the last claus, the exception in The Inn, is good too.
What is the opinion of other Aryezi on this merger?
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Post by Aryeztur on Mar 25, 2005 20:55:33 GMT -6
Thank you for the offer, but we will remain independent for a while before we decide wheter or not to join you. We want to see how things turn out. However, we will remain in close contact with you until then.
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Post by Nathan on Mar 26, 2005 2:53:05 GMT -6
ok. Good luck  |
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Post by Nathan on Mar 26, 2005 3:17:14 GMT -6
ah.. i saw the discussion in your parliament. actually... when we had settled all the details i was going to suggest that any merging be done at least a week after you had been independent.
anyway, good luck and i hope to see you at the IA!
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Post by Aryeztur on Mar 26, 2005 10:07:32 GMT -6
However, we request and invite Natopia to keep bases and troops in Aryez.
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Post by Nathan on Mar 26, 2005 14:22:55 GMT -6
i think that can be arranged. i will draw up a treaty of recognition and military alliance.
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