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Post by Nathan on Jan 21, 2006 18:47:02 GMT -6
aaahh... im getting fidgety again. we've spent the last 3 years trying to consolidate power and make everything efficient. well... thats suposedly lindstromism... however... it makes for very dull political life. thats why im proposing the reinstatement of the Grand Chancellor position!  the Grand Chancellor will be elected every 2 months by the Royal Frenzy... only Royal Legates can be eligible canidates. the Grand Chancellor will keep their vote in the frenzy as a royal legate, and will vote in ties (the emperor will forfeit this duty to the grand chancellor). they will also replace the prime minister as parliamentary leader of the Frenzy and will maintain order and lock threads and whatnot. and... perhaps most importantly... the Grand Chancellor can enact decrees (the emperor may overrule these decrees however). i dont know what other powers can (or should) be given to this democratic position.... but what are eveyone's ideas and comments on this?? |
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Post by Brian Capelle on Jan 21, 2006 20:24:59 GMT -6
Go back to a republic. But that's just an idea.
Honestly, you can probably tell my activity has less proficient, and that is because I have a huge new project I am working on that is more important to me than micronationalism, and a bit funner, so Sullifree is probably going to croak soon because I can't support it, so this will be my last citizenship left amazingly, so it would be nice for this citizenship to be a republic. But I don't want to sound like I am trying to force that. I just think I will be able to contribute more to Natopia and it may be easier to do so that way.
Then again, having a monarch is cool too.
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Post by Nathan on Jan 21, 2006 21:17:51 GMT -6
quite honestly... Natopia was never much of a republic. for almost 2 years the grand chancellor of the old republic was not elected. it was only in the few months before we became a kingdom that the grand chancellor was to be elected.
im offering to split and share my powers with a sort of "mini-king" who gets elected... thats more democratic than anything in Natopia ever id wager.
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but it sounds like you're wanting Natopia to be more like a totally democratic nation... like Lavalon or Antica... elections for everything, every matter decided by a vote... and such?
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Post by Brian Capelle on Jan 21, 2006 21:31:28 GMT -6
basically. I mean, we come close with the Emperor being elected for life. I just say we change that to have the head of state get terms.
But I am fine with what you said though. Neem already said she won't run, so if your idea goes through, I am going to.
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Post by Nathan on Jan 21, 2006 21:42:02 GMT -6
hmm... i dont know about imperial terms...
but lets go thru with this for now... see how it works out. i think itll bring a much needed politcal spark to this place.
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Post by Brian Capelle on Jan 21, 2006 21:49:04 GMT -6
Oh, I mean I think we would dump the Empire thing too... just have a CHancellor... maybe two, a grand one and a regular one... the title really doesn't matter, as long as you understand what I want out of the government
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Post by Nathan on Jan 21, 2006 22:07:04 GMT -6
you want democracy? a greater say in the affairs and dealings of the government?
i suppose i've been a bit too heavey handed in ruling natopia... i designed the current empire to be more decentralized... and i would only be a fast acting reactionary device to prevent the country from falling into chaos.
if the monarchy has too much power, by all means propose some limitations.... heck, i even proposed an amendment prohibiting me from being able to amend the constitution myself.
do you want the Frenzy to be directly democratic? that may work if we adopt timed democracy, otherwise determining activity for a quorum will be just as messy as me selecting people to be royal legates.
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Post by Brian Capelle on Jan 21, 2006 23:09:05 GMT -6
Ah man,, you would get elected to the top position anyway and you know it. Actually, I think citizens should be active for a while in order to get into the legislature.
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Post by MasterRDavis on Jan 23, 2006 11:53:02 GMT -6
I think Natopia works best as a Monarchy. Let's face it, folks - we're famous here for going silent over extended periods. At least with a Monarch in place, Natopia isn't held up by a lack of activity within the Legislature. While I agree the Emperor shouldn't be able to just make changes to the Constitution, he SHOULD have the power to enact Decress and such. Besides, it took so much work just to get us into a Feudal System, I will cry if we change it again...and making me cry is a really wicked thing for you all to do!!!  |
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Post by Tasneem on Jan 23, 2006 14:52:19 GMT -6
can we watch you cry?
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Post by MasterRDavis on Jan 23, 2006 14:55:32 GMT -6
If you really hate me so much that you would gain some form of sick pleasure from it...then sure.
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Post by Tasneem on Jan 23, 2006 16:22:05 GMT -6
I was just kidding...
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Post by Nathan on Jan 23, 2006 16:23:25 GMT -6
Look, whatever brian is suggesting prolly wont fly. Natopia's never been a democracy... we're lindstromist. That REQUIRES a central, powerful figure to ensure fast response when and theoretically ONLY when the democratic trappings of the government fail or are too slow.
Having an elected Grand Chancellor will allow us to keep a static "supreme head of state" to satisfy securtity, cultural, and lindstromist ideals, and yet create a hopefully dynamic political system to perhaps attract new poeple who perhaps see Natopia as a very closed nation to outsiders not already embedded in the system.
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Post by xon on Jan 23, 2006 20:09:25 GMT -6
Micro-national democracy is at best an illusion.
You could start a democracy here in Natopia, but it would quickly fade into an oligarchy.
A ruling elite have always existed in Lavalon. It used to be the Natopians. I, Max Basil, attempted to eliminate the oligarchy and have full-blown democracy forced in by law. What I found was that in doing so, I alienated the citizenry and looked like a dictator myself. Now, the ruling elite in Lavalon are the pro-Sager faction. A democracy supposedly exists there, but in truth the oligarchy is reflected in all aspects of the government, including the result of votes in the Assembly.
Natopia's dictatorship, or, to be more exact, aristocratic constitutional monarchy, is basically a reflection of the Nate personality cult. Lindstromism is what the cult members, if you will, follow. Take away their Lindstromism, and they will have no idea what is going on or where the mother ship is going to land.
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Post by Nathan on Jan 23, 2006 21:22:03 GMT -6
Yes thank you for that commentary. However, you'll notice that I think we've made it pretty clear that we never had nor do most of us want a democracy here in Natopia. What we are proposing is an election. And an election open only to Royal Legates, and Royal Legates are selected by the Emperor. There is no possible way to confuse this set up with democracy. Having elections and being a democracy are very different.
However, admitting that we have no official democracy, we DO tend to do things by concensus around here.
The thing you disdainly call the "ruling elite" is what most people refer to as "rule by majority;" its this pesky little side effect of democracy, you see.
You really need to curb your anti-Natopian prejudice. You are a GUEST in this nation. Please refrain from calling us mindless cattle.
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