Discussion: Eucalyptia

[Nathan]

xon proposed this at the ComEu:

Commonwealth of Eucalytpia: A Grand Sovereignty Proposal

There is no question that Lavalon is where most of the citizens of Natopia hang out. Natopia has become eclipsed by Lavalon. The SSNG, while mostly off-line, does not have an appropriate level of influence in Lavalon. Neither does Natopia. Their citizens can form "voting blocs" or parties, but there is no actual politically unifying force. We are still separate nations, with Lavalon'a Executive, Judicial, and Legislative branches being run by and exerting authority over the citizens of those foreign nations.
Lavalon is the new Natopia, but in name. The mantle of Natopia has passed on to Lavalon, just as the British Empire to the United States after World War II. The change occurred due to mass immigration of Natopians to Lavalon and appointment of foreigners into positions of stature by the original Lavalonians.
Lavalon is now a totally foreigner-oriented body. The Chowdhury-Klaas-Shepard voting bloc exists and is very powerful. They will probably win the next presidency, and I very well may help them in doing so by voting for their candidate, Tasneem.
The best thing, it would seem, would be for the SSNG and Natopia to close shop officially and disintegrate. However that would not be a good thing. Rather, we need to transfer our sovereignty to a new body, to be instituted by the Commonwealth of Eucalyptia: the Grand Council. The Grand Council would be composed of three very influential nations: Lavalon, SSNG, and Natopia. Its members would be the government leaders of each member nation. The body would become the new Supreme Court, Secretariat, and Secretary-General of the Commonwealth. It would be a triumvirate. And it would be granted many powers.
Instead of each member nation having a separate Executive branch, the Grand Council would assume the role of President of all three nations, separating out regionally with each member nation leader heading his or her own sub-department of a vast Commonwealth Executive Branch. The same could occur of the legislative bodies of each nation. They could be dissolved, and then a Commonwealth Senate could be created to pass acts relating to one, two, or all three member nations. The courts would likely remain separate.
What this would lead towards is a super-federal government overseeing relatively weak national governments of Lavalon, SSNG, and Natopia. Those nations would have governments more equivalent to administrative districts, rather than separately-sovereign entities. Indeed, the triumvirate would appoint legions of ambassadors to the micro-national world in the name of a single, united Eucalyptia.
Lavalon, SSNG, and Natopia would remain culturally separate. They would retain separate identities in that respect. They would have their own cultural organs, and they would retain the right to grant or not grant citizenship. They would have the right to remove themselves from the Commonwealth.
My proposal is for a "Grand Sovereignty", a new kind of super-government that would formalize what has already occurred in Lavalon, while giving other nations equal power with Lavalon. Eucalyptia would be like Talossa or Babkha or Hanover. Eucalyptia could become an internet fad and get an article in WIRED.
The task ahead is not to rush things into action. The task is to plan things carefully, and then turn our nations into giants.

comments?

[Nathan]

i replied to Xon that, in its current form, the proposal was unacceptable to Natopia. i suggested ways of still unifying the members, but allowing Natopia to retain territorial soverignty and to keep our government exactly as it is. As of now, Natopia will not be joining this proposed Grand Council. As such, I am questioning the merits of Natopia even being in the ComEu. This reeks of a power grab of Xon, attempting to give himself equal and total command over all of our nations... unacceptable to our Sovereignty!

Es liebe, der Natopische Republik!! Long live Natopia! We will rise from our slumber and take the ignorant ones by surprise. Our majesty will frighten them and we will rise to dominate!!

[Tasneem]

I read that too, and I'll admit, I was VERY shocked that he would even say that. But, I wanted to be civil so I didn't post anything at the time because I didn't trust my angry self.

I want Natopia to keep our sovereignty FOREVER.

If this is the proposal then I say that we reject it.

[HE Jenny]

i agree with tasneem

we could make our own proposal, but i dont know if it would do any good

[Nathan]

here is my exact response to Xon:

Interesting... although I don't beleive, at all, that Lavalon has eclipsed Natopia, online, yes. But Natopia has something Lavalon will never enjoy, an active offline community culture. Natopia will not give up any more sovereignty to that proposed security council unless modifications are made to the idea. firstly, the ubernational government should have a legislture, made of citizens of all the members. laws made by this body are enforceable in all the members. the executive should be made of the heads of state, but they can only make exeuctive commands to carry out the will of the legislature. they also represent the organization... the members must be free to continue with their own foreign policies, Natopia has several treaties and friendships we do not want to compromise. The legislature may, however, vote to override a foreign policy if it violates a law previously passed by the legislature. heads of state will have no direct influence in other member states and may retain titles, powers, positions, of their home nation.

Even with the promised seperation of cultures and control over citizens, Natopia cannot accept such a decrease in sovereignty.

[Tasneem]

Good, I don't want him to get a wrong impression that Natopia only has a couple citizens and they went to Lavalon just cause Natopia doesn't have much activity on the forums at the moment.